^^^ thinks $300+ for a putter you use every almost every hole is high, but probably willing to spend $400+ on a driver that is only used 7-12 times a round if that..priorities LOL!!! Im not asserting that Evnroll will overtake Cameron or even nibble off a sizeable portion of the latters market share. It was. Were they all under 5 handicap. Your previous content has been restored. Wouldnt a harder stroke introduce more error in to the putting stroke? The EVNROLL is not this nice at impact. My grandfather shot in the 70s well into his 80s. By the way the Snell golf ball does everything mygolfspy has claimed..and Dean Snell is a class act to boot!! What about the lefties? A tour-quality golf ball at a fraction of the cost? Wow, Looks like Im going to be doing some research on these. email them, i bought a lefty from them last monthlove it. Gear effect is the wrong phrase from a marketing perspective, because it is a physics term used to describe a concept of ball flight that is strictly an aerodynamic phenomenon. Five years ago, Rife stated, with tongue firmly in cheek, that our goal is modestwe want every foursome in America using Evnroll putters.. All of the strikes should end up being the exact same (repeatable) and really show off/disprove Evnflows technology. Sure, he could do it, but why? It was more like slapping the ball around. The right grooves matter. (on eBay). Our AI tool automatically assigns a score from 0 to 10 based on the collected data. Still a great putter. Everything else is between the ears. Or cater to Tour pros with one-off, bespoke design services. Did you see the video of robot testing? Ill wait a few years when its $99. If the hardness of the face varied outward from the center, or sweet spot, then contact in an area where the face was substantially softer would result in less energy transfer, but the difference in hardness would have to be quite noticeable. How was this observed? Theyre behind on this for sure. Your article also omits any comments about left handers so maybe they still arent making any progress there? Rife is quick to acknowledge the 80/20 retail rule. You might want to stop and re-read that last sentence. I started making putts. I then got the chance to use it for the first time yesterday in a round. They are woody feeling and harsh. A putter that fits you well, that feels right will allow you to deliver more consistent contact more often, whatever the geometry of your swing, to start the ball on the intended line. Its quite an expensive putter so was not keen to purchase online without having used it. Im certainly not going to spend $330-$380+ on a putter I dont like the look of at setup. Logic would then tell you that youd have to put a stronger stroke on this putter than a standard putter. We want you to get the most out of your Then I remember, Im a nerd. His Armlock Made Easy platform asked golfers to take an existing putter length and add six inches. Thats weird, the Nike Method Origin has the exact claim with their roll on mishits. Lefties are not a big part of the market. Lefty clubs ARE offered. Now if I could just find someone around here who HAS Guerin putters. Ive been playing golf for 20+ years, Im 26, and play to a +2 right now at a course with very difficult greens. Thank you for the compliment! Im sold and I doubt Ill ever move to another. Evnroll Er2 vs my current gamer Odyssey white ice 2. In the store I was testing an Odyssey and a Scotty, 200 vs 400 in price. I will say this. For me a light putter has no feel to it at all, the heavier putter requires more touch to roll a ball the right distance on different speed greens and different slopes. The putter rolls pretty smooth. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. There are, however, rare products that almost the day they are released seem to forever change the path of how golf is played. Had a putter fitting 2 months ago, had the Er2 on my hand. Here are the results. Well I revisited the ER2 at my PGA Store. His more pensive answer unveiled a poignant understanding that, for anything to be real and lasting, it requires a more sophisticated and thoughtful approach. All Hype, no substance! 5 puts less than my previous round just 3 days earlier on the same course and the rounds were within one shot of each other. Well, that is exactly what our testers saw over and over again in our lab. You can see it straight away. If they did so, I would have expected to see far more missed putts. This leads me to believe that they would be great putters for fast greens, but would take a lot of getting used to on slow greens. Your link has been automatically embedded. Some putter grooves have been shown to produce forward roll more quickly than others. Doesnt matter who makes it or the cost. One of the most solid rolls ever. whereas the technology should help more, the longer the distance (due to geometrical reasons) Maybe the lefties should kneel on the first tee ala kapernick for the lack of respect toward the south paws. Then all bets are off.). Mental placebo, actual tech whatever it may be, I love my ER2 and will never be changing. The bigger nerds are going to cry foul if those words are used. This could be the best putter of all time but no one will pay 329 for it. I have to agree with many of the nay-sayers here whom are questioning the claim of gear effect of this putter. Sure it takes a bit of getting used to, but is well worth the effort. Hmmmmm I have a Scotty Cameron Studio 1.5 and love it. Check that, would say the same about the Ping Eye-2 ironshow many years and dangling pieces of plastic and hanging weights all over the clubs have really improved them.. Very interested in these, do you know if they are in any retail stores? I still putted much better with the Ketsch mid than anything else Ive tried which brings up how disappointed I am that the Ping Vault Oslo and Bergen are not as good as the Ketsch. And I think most resort courses will tell you that they keep the greens slower because the average golfer cannot putt well on fast surfaces and rounds are much slower because of more 4 putts, or more versus the slower speeds. Out of their line up its the least ugly and only one I can see myself purchasing if what people are saying about the results are true. We arent trolls just other golfers. Ok I heard about the New Evn roll putter and stopped in to check it out today, Jamie helped me and was very knowledgeable and helpful regarding putters ended up getting the ER 1 putter. PGA SS Shenandoah Texas. Just want to say that my dealings is not the same models that you are mentioning. The 2 is good. Evnroll ER2 vs. Stroke lab Double Wide? I judge a clubs performance by the balls performance it gives. Guerin Rife has been around a long time and the Evnroll putter does exactly what it claims and looks great doing it. This is about his third (maybe fourth?) ER2v - Evnroll US ER 2 v Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 3 customer ratings 3 ER2v MidBlade - a three tiered wider heel and toe weighted blade Due to increased demand, we are experiencing lengthened build times. Thats about the perfect size for a center shafted putter. I could possibly buy the criticism that pros mishit the putter less often than amateurs..but no one hits the dead-nuts center of the face every time. Conversely, for Evnroll, its an either-or proposition. A clean, identifiable look is paramount for brand recognition and we sort of got away from that, admits Rife. I dont find that. Cameron enjoys the benefits of economies of scale. www.odysseygolf.com | Toe hang: Moderate | Average skid distance: 21.7 inches | Average topspin: 31.91rpm. I honestly couldnt read any further after the curve back toward the hole comment. greater distances should exaggerate the deviations caused by normal putter faces. Will agree that his distance control has improved. Nothing else changed. I recently dusted off my Two-Bar as well. So the green speed can dramatically change the tests and comparisons. If a putter does not come with removable weights I wont buy it. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. But as other have noted, 3 other factors count. I have owned my Evnroll Er6 for a couple months now and I can tell you that it is the best putter I have used. One could argue that this is either beneficial (is a year really enough time to create a quantifiably better putter?) Feel confident to do it varies greatly. It felt like you were hitting wood or a wrench? Plus, I loved their lighter option jumbo grip. The face tech is real and works. The biggest complaint about Evnroll putters has to do with speed off the face. I also want the toe of my putter dead for putting on super fast greens. This graphic isnt just a fancy piece of marketing. putter company. Also seems to apply to other clubs not as popular too for the retail Gods give their stores what to sell. Thanks for your help, much appreciated. I gamed the ER-6R for several years before replacing it with the ER2. Free shipping for many products! Functionally, this means Evnroll isnt likely to dive head-first into the small-batch, limited-release market. And its amazing that no one has thought of it before. Why not left handed??? In the end the only thing that really matters is squaring up the face while having the proper aim point and speed. Having gamed several Rifes in the past, my opinion is that grooves do put a smoother roll on the ball, and Rife himself has an eye for a clean design (even if the shapes are highly derivative/copies). I tried these at PGA Superstores as well and bought the ER2 instantly. Sorry to say but this claim is bogus as it defies the laws of physics. The reality is, most putter grooves dont matter. Shortly after Evnrolls launch, other manufacturers started mimicking Rifes patented groove approach. To find out how Guerin Rifes new Evnroll putters perform, we put 4 models to the test against our 2016 Most Wanted Blade and 2016 Most Wanted Mallet putters. I had a Spider Tour before being chosen to test the Evnroll. Kinda feel like wood or as if i was stroking the putt with a wrench or something non-putter. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I suspect wed get along swimmingly in real life. Tonico: the founder is the same guy who started RIFE putters, which we represent. 2 times I was more than 20 foot away and both times I over-hit the puts considerably. Buying a golf club for resale value is the single worst reason to buy it. I dispute the comments about the hard feel. All excellent putters but I was most consistent with the Evnroll. email subject line Have been playing golf for about 55 years. Its quality thru and thru. The amount of face technology in his putters is unmatched and consistency of distance unbeatable. Case in point: Evnroll Midlock. After about 25 minutes there were occasions where I may have sensed/noticed the technology working but I wasnt sure. Not true. This time I brought in 2 ProV1x golf balls and was shocked how much more I liked this putter when not using the TopFlite balls scattered on the practice green. Once the PGA tour sees something that will help players putt better they like to ban it. Our mission is #ConsumerFirst. The counter weights are installed by EVNROLL to dial in the swing weight. Why not save this article for April 1? If people would take the time to go to the website and understand that the two dots on the top of the head are intended to help guide you on left and right breakers. Thank you. Im most interested in the 5 and 10 foot results (my misses). Ive found putter prices and performance have no direct correlation. He was a great putter and did it with an old Bullseye, which is arguably one of the least forgiving putters out there. The Modern Classics: Testing Ping's G400 LST from 2017 NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! Love the evenroll technology but they headweights make the borderline unusable. Call it a head-to-head test against only the best. This is a $350 putter and I bought a tarnished unit at no discount.. . Someone needs to come up with a putter that somehow merges the technologies of the SIK & EVNROL faces (while getting around the patents somehow). Personally..most putters IMO are overpriced for what you get.. Theyre available at PGA Tour Superstore. Definitely recommend you trying them and get your feels, but both are quality putters. Im really looking forward to trying these out and Im sure the slight finish behind Ketsch from 20 feet will probably not even be noticeable (maybe one stroke in 20 rounds?) 5 Testers Needed! Not an oversized grip fan so that was an adjustment. Evnroll ER2 vs. Stroke lab Double Wide? Do you know the answer to that? If architects can restore and enhance a golf course, does Evnroll Guerin-ize or Rife-inate a model? It beat out a Ping Sigma Tyne and Scotty Future 5. I went and tested them at PGA SS and to be honest, the lack of good feel trumped benefit that the technology could provide. The Mezz from lab golf sounds hard to beat for results. So I must say I was hasty in my review above regarding the feel being off. Folks think high cost equals better product so they purchase it. The ER2 mid-blade putter by Evenroll features Rife's signature groove design with grooves that run across the face in a closely shaped formation. I have the ER6 and yes, I know I have to hit the ball a bit harder. There is a bit of a cautionary tale when it comes to Rife. (Unless it includes ice cream and Dr. Pepper. Im getting the speed down very quickly and excited to see if my stats drop measurably over a full season. Does anyone know if all of their putters come with a counter-balance weight in the end of the shaft or did the previous owner put it in? It had banged against other putters on the demo floor but the top-line was still in decent shape. I kept hearing it but nowhere did it say how or why it happened but your explanation makes total sense. Chris is a self-diagnosed equipment and golf junkie with a penchant for top-shelf ice cream. No lefty clubs offered. What a world we now live in! one of the best putter i got its really amazing . I could easily see the technology working for a high handicapper as well. Basically, the details that matter to Rife as a designer also matter to the end user. . Product information Technical Details Additional Information Feedback Would you like to tell us about a lower price? I would love to believe that a putter costing $350 dollars would actually produce the skill it would take to reduce the number of putts, to warrant such a price. This, so far in golf, is the perfect putter from grip to groove. [texts-excerpt] multiplying imaginary numbers with square roots calculatorFREE EstimateFREE Estimate Because the forces involved in putting are so low, and the ball is rolling, not flying through the air, the location of the center of mass of the head of the putter has virtually no effect on the path of the ball. Ill give it another try. But Rifes iteration addressed what he saw as a key fitting flaw in existing models. After seeing videos of this technology we quickly reached out to Evnroll putters and asked for samples to be sent to the MyGolfSpy Test Facility for further evaluation. The ping has the grooves and is a hard surface. It is designed with varying depth grooves to promote the same distance putt across the face. The truth just sounds different.". If the ball is curving on its way to the hole then please explain the physics of why the ball is curving. Amongst pricing benefits, with several machine shops and a handful of CAD (computer-aided design) engineers, the Cameron empire can create prototypes and experimental designs and run several design cycles in parallel, all while maintaining a standard production schedule. Cons Bought the ER6 at our local PGA Superstore last week, took it out straight away and won the member guest at my club! Not exactly compelling data. It is a sharpshooter from 15-25 feet and performed better than the other two at these distances in particular. So the gearing effect happens at impact, correct? It is hard to believe for many golfers when traditionally they have been marketed too with little to no performance that backs up all the previous claims. Overall I was very hesitant to fork over almost $500 AUD for a putter but after just one round I am totally convinced it is worth it and I will be using this putter for the next 10 years easily unless there is a new better technology that comes along. Ummm.what is the article about and what are the conclusions, if any? I found that the ER1 has a lower face height than the Scotty Newport I was using. It takes aerodynamically produced forces to make a golf ball curve. I hope Evnroll comes up with designs that have variable head weights minimum 335 or even less head weight up to say 375 gram head weights. Lastly,, perhaps their own zero- torque shaft (Stability)) that is optimized for their head designs. I replaced it with the ER2 on a whim just to try it and boom, it stayed in the bag. If Rife is making putters, an Evnroll ER2 will be in the line. As option: an insert w/ parabolic groove technology but made from copper alloy / Terrillium So for this example they are a great display of how this technology works and why it is so effective. But never say never, maybe Id be convinced to try another Rife designsomeday. Face material, inserts or various metal compounds. Ping Eye 2 Iron Set 3-9+SW Black Dot Karsten Regular Graphite Mens LH. It sounds great, doesnt it? Why has the RX1 a better result in this test compared to the blade vs. mallet test when looking at SG18 ? Dont slam your shut too soon. Am I right in seeing that there are no left handed options currently available? If you are using a good ball like a Pro V or Taylomade TP the feel is very soft without being mushy. If you play on the local muni or other "Value" public courses with slow greens it takes a lot of effort to hit lag putts outside of 50'. Just waiting for some more left handed options. Putters are like Drivers you buy a new one every . Just like PXG and theyve been out of business for two years. The other limitation is that it might take Evnroll several years to bring a new design to market. It is fact. ER5 here. We certainly suggest you try an Evnroll for yourself. What it showed was something you wouldnt believe unless you saw it for yourself. Anything to save half a stroke a round. No bribes, please. Point is, a tightly grooved face does impart truer roll, believe it or not, Ive seen it for myself and has made me a believer and a better putter. How people get there and what makes the. That is a great use for putter robot testing. Full disclosure I bought an Evnroll 6 (Im a mallet guy) last week and have played 2 rounds so far with limited practice. Golfers who want to score better should consider Evnroll putters for one reason: Performance. And to be honest, the Karsten TR 1955 putters feel better to me than the Vault version. I absolutely love my evnroll. If this thing is that good cmon MGS guys and hook us up . The Evnroll ER2 required 9 fewer putts to complete holes at the 10 distance. As others have mentioned no lefty options? funny, that the biggest advantage is on short puts exact the opposite of what is to expect, if the ball is rolling the same distance in the same line, on off-center hits Clear editor. The consistency of roll is uncanny; makes lag putts easy. Its brilliant. Patented. That is elite company to say the least. Thats ridiculous. So Art, what would you like to come off like passively aggressive about next and have me answer? I removed the grip to put the larger Evnroll grip on it and realized that there was a counter-balance weight in the end of shaft. At least that is how it seems to me. What about how quickly the cell phone virtually eliminated the payphone? Odyssey etc. It will make a difference. Odyssey Stroke Lab Putters - 0.096. Distance control was very uniform as advertised but being on a flat, indoor surface it is hard to know if the accuracy is significantly better than my current putter. Millions of dollars of R&D and still very little data that suggests newer tech is better tech. I am more consistent with ER2 from mid range and short range. I am very happy with it and don't feel like I have to hit it harder. It rolls straight and stays on line. The traffic from this article to their site has caused some server issues. Dont be cheap if it brings you pleasure or better golf scores. as well as honest reporting on the latest issues affecting the game Thanks Karl. In this test you show the ER2 at SG18 =1.51, yet in the 2017 most wanted blade you show the ER2 as SG18=0.96. I bought the ER2 the first day it was available (came across it by accident). Evnroll ER2 4 999 kr. Proven what not to be true? Im guessing a lot of pros arent using this yet because they have more consistent putting strokes than us amateurs and care a lot more about feel. Yet give an armature a $80 putter but tell him it costs $310 and hell think he putts better with it. Essentially, they have engineered a sweet spot hit to react like a mishit as far as distance is concerned. I do wonder if the design allows for the putter to impart different spin on the ball depending on where on the face the ball is struck. What is important for people to know is that the Gearing only works if you connect with the ball on an off center hit WITH a square face. Rife has made center shafted putters before, so Im a little surprised they didnt initially release one. Struggle is real. Information. Interesting that the Ketsch still did better at 20 feet. After checking out the a little more from their website, its interesting that one of the byproducts seems to be that the putt distance is reduced from a standard putter, even when struck in the face center. But again that is MY experience and I started playing in the mid 1970s when putter had thin heads and weighed nothing. If the swing path and the face are not perpendicular the ball starts offline to the extent of their divergence. mid. Traffic from this test is the reason why it isnt right now. MyGolfSpy referred traffic crashes yet another website lol. I was very intrigued as well. What ive found is that on greens with very slick surfaces, over 5 feet, Im much more consistent and putt way better with the odyssey as it slows the ball coming of the face so that even if I miss the longer putt it doesnt go as far. We just found this particular review a little hyped and the Gearing claim is what many of us are put off by., steer the ball back to the target, in particular. The odyssey is an older putter with a soft insert in the face to slow the impact down. *We may earn a commission when you buy through links on our site. Felt like I could take my hands off it and it'd still work. What makes a slider pitch move sideways? I have a Mezz.1 prototype, number 33 of the first 100. I game a Wilson Staff The L putter. Being a weekend hacker with my old putter at least a few times a round I would get this wrong enough that I would leave it too far away and miss the next put at least once. What gives? Ive gamed Bobbys for a long time and have always wanted to see his putters included, but MGS has stated over and over that Bobby declines to participate. + C $57.64 shipping. Your mis hits are better and it truly rolls the ball better than anything else. The best putters ever made are, used putters why because they are only used once for half the price. Has anyone tried the Pyramid Putter? How does the putter know where the target is? I know Odyssey is the #1 Putter on Every Tour but Scotty Cameron is still the #1 brand to which every other milled putter is compared.. I have hit the Evnroll's many times. Ill revisit because i like the shape of the ER2 and the performance was there. ODYSSEY O-WORKS #1: RRP 179. For you guys wondering HOW it works, check out this page: https://evnroll.com/technology, They still dont explain how the grooves make a mishit ball move back toward the hole, they simply say it will. The biggest change was a putting lesson. Over and over again?? Gear effect is an aerodynamic producted effect and not a ground produced effect. ER2 - Evnroll US ER 2 Rated 4.94 out of 5 based on 87 customer ratings 87 A shorter, wider heel and toe weighted flange blade. I would like to see a face balanced center shafted ER2CS or ER5CS, but that is me and that is how I roll. And I have to say Alex, yes they are. 3. shafts, which rife can easily incude. Theres no way youd have trouble finding 100 people of all skill types. In that vein, what do you call an established putter design that Rife then improves? i read the review and the results are impressive! As youll see below, weve tested it. Almost nobody disputes this. Artiklar om golf; Villkor . One thing to consider with the purchase of EVNROLL putters is the speed of your greens. Thats it. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published), Contest Win a Custom Evnroll ER3 Tour Putter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBmo2nemU0&spfreload=10, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1dXsUmILmE. However as you have pointed out MGS, you can set up a robot to hit a ball however youd like. Great heft and stability, easy to start the ball on target. No one screamed we are actually typing. Putted extremely well under 20 foot Almost all day if I missed from this distance it was a very simple tap in. What puzzles me is, that the Evnroll putters seem to have no advantage on longer puts (20) Who can argue with the ball going in the hole. The one cool thing about the ER3 is that off-center hits is that it does kind of bring the ball back towards the hole. I suppose no one wants to listen to the fact that we have proven this to not be true over and over and over again. Your test results belie the notion that the Evnroll putters are capable of imparting hook/slice spin. A buzz kill, probablya realist for sure. Oh yeah, and spend more time practicing your putting. We are currently working to a 5-6 business days build time plus shipping for each putter. If the face is shut and you hit the ball in the center of the face, you are going to miss the putt left (assuming you are aiming correctly). It was up when posted, too much traffic crashed the site. Today, we review the Inesis High MOI Putter. 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