Your argument against which kind of trips that are induced by marginal price costs of 0, just makes no sense. Yeah, and did you read the very lengthy instructions about how to apply for the adult monthly travel card? WebTransport for London (TfL) is strengthening its measures to combat fare evasion, which costs Londoners millions of pounds a year and is an issue the Mayor is determined to tackle. And probably linked in to ICE. If you decide to plead guilty, you can choose to go to court or not. @Eric2 Some of the sprawl was developed during the bubble era , but the public transportation was scrapped after the bubble burst. Rural mode-share collapse isnt about private vs public its about the mismanagement of regional cities and their relationship to their hinterlands. Stuff you dont have time for during the working week etc. And the metro did develop from a tram system as was once planned for the heavier Stadtbahns. i.e. They simply DO NOT BELIEVE fares apply to them The point is not to charge people to the largest amount you can, the point is to charge them the actual cost of their trip, in order to maximize global utility. Much less a whole restaurant. I am way out of date. This one said the writer was exaggerating the cost, and that there were many choices to get the price down a lot. If thats something I do often, most of those will be free trips under the 45-swipe regime, regardless of whether I lose a few workdays in a given month. 70% of department 77 Seine-et-Marne) and has huge forests and national parks (eg. The whole situation was resolved very quickly in just over a week and much to my relief I received a warning for forgetting to tap in, rather than a prosecution and a criminal record. While it would be much better to have density presented as a map with high granularity, the overall figures suggests that Tokyo is more compact and denser. In New York, the SBS system uses proof of payment (POP), but passengers still have to validate fares at bus stops, even if they already have paid, for example if they have a valid monthly pass. Geez. Retrieved 2013-09-21. New Yorks 46 is still similar, esp. In the summer, Governor Cuomo announced a new initiative to hire 500 cops to patrol the subway. We offer a fixed fee service, which includes: If you have been invited to attend an interview regarding an allegation of Fare Evasion, we strongly recommend you have the benefit of a criminal defence solicitors presence. My tickets were purchased six weeks in advance and were second class non-reserved and off-peak and this is supposed to be the cheapest option. And therein lies the cause of the problem: the types who can think econometrically wont think in terms of long-range strategic planning (because it is impossible to quantitate neatly, and involves that nebulous thing, vision) so they do the only thing they can, which is tactical short-termism, to optimise current resources blah, blah. Now there are LOTS of ways of tackling Q1 Q3. One should also note that providing useful public transport service does not scale to the level of individual trips or trip lengths. Even my last, reluctant, trip there I was forced to take a very early bus from Brighton to Heathrow. Is it even desirable to reduce commuting costs? Both are negatively impacted by heavy commute subsidies. No doubt designed and enforced by genuine elites who never intend to use the Underground themselves, except for an annual photo-op. I would highly recommendBSB Solicitors and I am extremely grateful for alltheir help on resolving this situation so quickly. The form will ask you whether you intend to plead guilty or not guilty and will give you an option to enter your plea by post. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Sacked London council on the pretext of fiscal irresponsibility over Livingstones Fair Fares (or Fares fair?) france.fr The official website of France. It is the worst performing train operator of the lot. No one asking for M16s. Cities in both Germany and France, for example, are even trialling free public transport, with huge increases in passenger rates recorded. it is clear that you dont have any experience of very well run transit city, such as in East Asia, where rich and poor regularly alike use transit. With an electronic payment system, you can have pretty non-interfering gates (which also makes it possible to charge per distance), they can be largely symbolic (just a tower you push your card against). I really appreciate it. The cost burden of commuting is unevenly and unethically distributed amongst the beneficiaries of this utility. Multiple use of violence by these inspectors. It caused continuous scale back of services but all see it as a natural result of motorization and expansion of highway into rural area, in addition to aging and reducing population in rural area, although even the Japanese COmmunist Party is support of the union against privatization failed to imagine the scale of effect its causing right now in their PR material at the time. Development London. You know what you pay, and you wont get any surprises. Plan a journey and favourite it for quick access in the future, Choose postcodes, stations and places for quick journey planning, Find out more about the Single Justice Procedure and how to submit your plea, London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority. I dont quite get what is hard to open . Whats really at play is a class war issue. Which doesnt make it any more tolerable but makes it understandable and an intractable problem, only ameliorating with the climb out of poverty and marginality. And Herbert, arent you German? Its a proxy for lawlessness, for police racism, for public safety, for poverty. EDIT: Ignore that, the CAG thread states OP had an Oyster card, not a freedom pass. *Except in the actual immigrant nations of USA, Canada and Australia where crime rates are lower in immigrants! But I think those differences have eroded by now. Not least, via job access. It involves negotiations and confidential ridership data, but boils down to passenger counts, done (I believe) once every three years. Sendai for instance is very much concrete before electronics/operations. | Anyway: the breakeven point for a zone 1-3 ticket is 48: the monthly is 158.30 with a travelcard, the peak single fare is 3.30. cheaper transit promoting sprawl. V.S November 2018, I recently contacted BSB Solicitors in relation to a potential fare evasion prosecution. A Monthly Travelcard for zones 1-4 (inner London) is 194.00 (US$243.87, 217.17) Slightly curiously Stockholm has faregates (as you certainly know). On the other hand, the short single trip, for a person without a monthly pass, will be unreasonably expensive, for example creating cruel incentives for poor people to walk for 25 minutes in the rain, instead of taking a bus 6 stops. Even the Brits who have had to contend with such systems their entire life, get immensely irritated by it. Even the fragmented British railway system is able to manage fare revenue distribution for generic tickets. Tear down these faregates. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. For someone who has no previous convictions, it is, of course, a great shock to be facing a court appearance. tfl fare evasion settle out of court proceedings of the international conference on learning representations. This split also had an effect on the policing of fare evasion, as checks used to be a LOT rarer on the S-Bahn than the U-Bahn or tram, and in my experience the inspectors also tended to be more lenient, letting people off with a warning if they had a passable excuse, which would never happen with the BVG inspectors. There are various statistical ways of determining how much each agency should receive of that monthly pass. If you need help in avoiding a criminal conviction contact us now on 0800 002 9705 for free advice. Its difficult to get an ice cream truck into a subway station. Your request has been considered in The whole look at the poor person stealing bread, dont mind the banker stealing $1m. Its not about catching habitual offenders. This report is by a NGO so almost zero chance of anything like it being adopted by a conservative government. Bonus! It is very likely that your employer paid some part, and, depending on the size of the enterprise, it is a discount. American transit agencies and activists resist calls for large monthly discounts, on a variety of excuses. This is actually a win-win situation, because the operator gets the money early on, and the employer can save parking spaces. I dont think anyone could reasonably make the argument that rail privatisation in the UK saw worse service. The solicitor who took on my case took a statement, we spoke about mysituation in depth. Not being American I dont know my semi-automatic high-powered weapons at all well. I recently tried to make a trip that was 10 minute drive and came up with 1.5 hours on the bus (that isnt counting waiting time for the bus to arrive or in the waiting room between when I get there and my appointment) needless to say I drove. In such cities monthly passes do barely exist, and cities aim for a fair and efficient pricing system. That requires enforcement exercises, which are expensive. Then theres this (below) which is sooo London (and again there could be some HK-inspired rebellion; will this system have face-recognition? So why do it at all? This was a great result and I could not be more grateful. BART charges too much, runs too little service, and its stations are too deep underground. In the majority of cases, commuters pay the fare, take the time and bear the brunt of the health costs. the routes that after privatisation were run as Southern. They were technically convenient before modern technology (and thus motivated historically), but today there is no excuse to not have payments per trip, and per distance (and preferably also extra in rush hour). With regard to other countries in the Anglosphere, I think Singapore and London actually do have monthlies: Singapore has the Adult Monthly Travel Card allowing unlimited use of bus and train services for a month islandwide, for $120. Otherwise, you just get public transport as social service for people to poor to own a car rather than a general transportation service used by everybody. They will probably engage in Uber-like fare undercutting to get pax numbers at first, which will reduce the traffic on SNCFs most cash-generating routes. 3) The San Francisco stations have public areas before the gates. Perhaps the approach shouldnt be to offer DISincentives for riders who dont have passes but rather to offer positive incentives for more people to use electronic, cash-free payment methods even if they fall outside the middle-class demographic. > The norm here is that big cities fund urban rail out of fares; the U-Bahn breaks even here, and I think also in Munich. Perhaps this is a Grauniad beat-up but it would have to be on a Trumpian scale. And the S-Bahn gets subsidies because of lower suburban ridership, same as the RER/Transilien. Generally, the train companies argue that prosecutions are in the public interest because of the huge sums of money which are lost to the rail industry as a result of fare evasion. I didnt understand this the first time I read it. What fare evasion offences could I be prosecuted for? If the breakeven point is in the high 30s, then this is much simpler even commuters get monthlies and therefore can ride off-peak for free. For commutes, especially the suburban crowd, transit is essentially free as to user, as its paid for by the employer, and the income is untaxed by the government. Thats not the way real people actually use a Metro system (well maybe London where you might expect to get hit with an unexpected big bill depending on trip length, time of travel blah, blah.) Bourgeois standards of behavior is what allows public spaces of all sorts to function, whether it be transit, parks, plazas, or beaches. France..tampe..Paris68 .2% The panhandlers, subway dancers, public urinators, and worse are what drives people away from transit. Though next time is probably easier to just pay for the tickets if youre not trying to stain [your] record. https://www.lincolninst.edu/publications/other/atlas-urban-expansion-2016-edition. I am on record on your blog as not supporting free transit, but I certainly believe in reasonable fares which inevitably means some subsidy, though it is true that it should not be called that, rather a sharing of costs among all those who benefit from transit. Your first point is the more important one: absolute rate is way lower. I use the discount punch pass (something that really should be eliminated ) instead of the monthly pass because my local network isnt good enough to consider using the bus for more trips. And yet, I cant help but notice the parallels with left-wing moralism on this: sexual assault is a form of oppression, theft (even robbery sometimes) is righteous downward redistribution of wealth. @Henry: Ditto public urination; it exists in Berlin, but not in elevators Ive seen men do it at night on the side of the secondary entrance to the S-Bahn at Neuklln (which is more or less the poorest area inside the Ring), but the area smells fine, so I suspect that either its not common enough to be a public health hazard or theres regular cleaning. And of course worse service. But the government still think this is a severe problem to the government budget, and is now proposing the adaption of a new ID-based system for the elderly discount, requiring elderly across the city obtain a new transit card with their name and photo printed onto it, and show the photo to drivers or ticket validators whenever they want to ride public transit, so as to avoid such sort of abuse. Beyond population density, efficiency is an important reason why transit is so cheap in East Asia. With the Paris flat-fare system and immense freedom of Carte Orange, and of course that in almost every single aspect the system outperformed LU and was cheaper. @Phake Nick Sorry that narrative is wrong, the pro-car consensus was if anything more dominant 1950-1987, highways and railways were actually paired together e.g. We are seeing more an more examples of clients being In the US and in certain conservative circles in the UK, public transit and the London Underground are merely a drag on public finances. New York does poorly on the metric of encouraging monthlies. > It is taking all the land area of Ile de France and ignoring that huge parts of it are either farmland (eg. UK.HelmfordLondon..39313% Not just because its important to get all the revenue you can, but if its easy to fare evade then everyone will do it as, no one really sees it as a crime in their own minds. I dont really know; admitting this makes me feel like one of those elites the Gilets Jaunes (and maybe Alon who had neither of these perks?) This is bad practice, especially for passengers who prefer to refill at a ticketing machine rather than at home or on their phone with an app, since it means passengers visit the ticketing machines more often, requiring the agency to buy more to avoid long lines. It seems a bit of a wasted effort otherwise, eh?, Oh, should of added, that this is why when youre designing your roaming checks youre really looking for how you can MAXIMISE the number of people that saw that check happen. Claiming the Commute requires employers to pay for half of the commuting costs of their workforce that pertain to (more environmentally-friendly) modes of transport. This is also a common way of pricing telecom services, where the majority of costs arise from providing the network, not the marginal cost of using it. The #1 cause of escalator failure is human waste. The German-speaking world, as irrational as Britain and France about urban crime rates that are far lower than they were a generation ago, still treats the train and bus rider as a law-abiding customer unless proven otherwise. So if the breakeven point is exactly 45, people who only use transit for commuting are on the knifes edge and in most cases wont get a monthly. Please see our reviews at the bottom of this page and contact our office on 020 7837 3456 for further details and to make an appointment. The total cost of the new patrol program is $56 million in the first year, escalating by 8% annually thanks to a pre-agreed pay hike scale. Taken to court by TFL for fare evasion under contrary to byelaw 17. Or better still, a Hong Konger or Singaporean who moved to either London or Paris. Of course you need a good system. For a small % this is an economic decision. And it does an appalling job. Webthe district court abused its discretion in denying his motion to amend the complaint to add a claim for punitive damages. classic TOD. Do you think the econometric, austerity-minded policies w.r.t. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/LegalAdviceUK. If convicted, you will: If Transport for London believes that you have committed a criminal offence, we may decide to prosecute you. Quick correction: Singapore does have monthly passes. 1) Habitual In Paris, Navigo can be used for bikeshare, but the fares arent integrated, only the fare media. It is taking all the land area of Ile de France and ignoring that huge parts of it are either farmland (eg. Maybe I meant A15s? Say a 25% discount on each trip after 20 trips, and a 50% discount after 35 trips. Why not try to minimize the average cost of a trip in the system instead? The outcome is predictably polarization and is just as disastrous here as for any other dimension of US public services. Those casual fare evader mental questions are: 1) Do I already have, or can I buy a ticket right now? But you dont need that many. I dont think that pass existed until recently. Also its fare gates are an awful design to boot. So if someone rides a King County Bus, then a Sound Transit train, both Sound Transit and King County get money. Theres a moralistic discourse in the United States about fare evasion on public transport that makes it about every issue other than public transport or fares. Andy McDonald, the [Labour] partys shadow transport secretary, said: Privatisation has created one of the most complex, exploitative and expensive ticketing systems in the world. Most people dont get on and off along the way. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. More people either work from home one or two days a week or are often hopping between client sites or their own company locations throughout the week and which might not even be in the same city. One might say that of course they would say that. Paris has one-way faregates, so half the exit space is unusable during (one-way) busy times, and the exit gates are hard to open and easy to close in order to discourage fare dodging. The public transport system provides a certain level of constant service and a monthly pass is a right to use this service. I was summoned to court for fare evasion by TFL, for using my fathers Freedom Pass which I was guilty of. Press J to jump to the feed. If you do But most of our metro stations are not even staffed, so fare gates would be a huge cost for limited advantage. 2) Crime prevention costs As you wrote, passengers should be able to get on and off trains quickly, with minimum friction. The (old) UK system was the opposite of frictionless and it used to raise my temperature from rubbing up against it (not in a lacivious or frottage way! For the thousands working on an employment pass, youre out of luck. 24 Hour Emergency Contact 0207 837 3456 0207 837 3456, Home > Criminal Law > Fare Evasion Solicitors. And also that Caltrain may realize based on the new data whether they should be charging participating employers more or less, etc. As you can imagine, any criminal record on a 27-year-olds CV would be detrimental to many future opportunities. It is not like we are arguing about some fantasy scenarios, I am just saying that the West could adopt systems more similar to the East (where it evidently works very well). the Foret de Fontainebleau is 2.5x the size of intramuros Paris! Try cutting the breakeven point to something starting with a 3 instead. However Sydney had a horrendously complex British style system, and worse buses and ferries were different (and it was intended to integrate everything), and eventually they couldnt do it under the contract constraints (it was part of the reason they went bust). On the same principle, cities and states can discount fares on buses and trains. A sizable proportion of riders who do not pay would just stop riding altogether, for one. That is illogical. Change). For local operation (bus, tram, regional trains) they use vehicles which contain a passenger counting system, counting the number of people getting off and on. That is a ridiculous and misleading claim. The Official Site of Philip T. Rivera. People who buy monthly cards are the biggest users of the system and deserve any discounts over occasional users while you appear to believe the biggest users are captive and thus can be charged as much as possible (the British mentality). On most of our bus lines drivers check tickets on boarding, but we seem to be transitioning away from this as well. OK, youve nit-picked one thing from that report. The only thing predictable about the service is that its always awful: the train you want is odds-on to be late or cancelled. As to the rest of your post, it is pure econometric thinking of the kind that gives me a headache. On social fares, as on many other socioeconomic issues, it is useful for Americans to see how things work in countries with high income compression and low inequality under the aegis of center-left governments. Verified Hi Thank you for your question. If this is the case, follow the instructions carefully. In Berlin, the breakeven point is 36 trips. Susan Lenne, Clovelly, NSW. You give the keyword with that pass: Freedom. But Q4 is why you need the PERCEPTION of enforcement., Now I say perception here because THATS WHAT MATTERS. michaelrjames , youre rather confused. Our recent trunk bus lines have open boarding and both Helsinki and Espoo have indicated to the regional authority that they want more open boarding. And thats before we get to lack of light-rail. The train companies are much more rigorous in going to the courts, mainly because the money involved in long distance commuting is so much higher. Of all the oddities thrown up by rail privatisation, this must rank among the oddest: a train company in the business of running fewer trains. A fully A criminal conviction can negatively affect job prospects, particularly in certain fields and can impact visa applications to some countries. These systems arent put in for a whim the bump in revenue from gating has been well documented otherwise they would not have pushed so hard on covering more stations. Let me tell you many working class people like law and order and a good public realm. These are the exact opposite of your econometric analysis. That doesnt make any sense. The MTA has also mentioned a higher figure, $300 million; I do not know if the higher figure includes just urban transit or also commuter rail, where conductors routinely miss inspections, giving people free rides. Maybe we are cognitively disadvantaged in the West compared to East Asians, but I would instead argue that it is more likely that with modern technology varying fares dynamically by distance is very straightforward (with 1990s technology) and westerners would adapt very quickly. One or two fewer workdays does not change the logic much for a working person residing in a zero-car household. AAR (August 2107), BSB Solicitors are a company you can definitely put your trust in. In contrast, the unlicensed churro vending is more a problem of city and state regulations making it too onerous to sell food. It also wants to improve efficiency in order to procure a better rail service for Ile-de-France residents without increasing operating costs. Or visit an exhibition, see a show, a sporting event etc. Is that recent? As for cheap trips outside rush-hour, that is exactly what I am arguing for instead of bulk-discounts (that make the marginal cost 0 in rush hour). WebAppearance, the Court will schedule a Settlement Conference to occur within ninety (90) days of the filing of the Notice of Limited Appearance. In 2016, it [Paris] has been ranked as the best public transport system in the world by the ITDP with 100 percent of people in the city of Paris having an easy access to rapid transportation, ahead of 26 other international cities (including London, New York City and Tokyo). The most common excuse is revenue loss, which is weird since realistically New York would transition to a large discount through holding the monthly fare constant and hiking the single-ride fare. Germany is very law-abiding in stereotype. They are cited in the same way that a fare evader is, even though theyve obviously paid the fare. Unsurprisingly, the UK train system is privatised, no doubt this accounts for these exorbitant prices. Whats a little food poisoning now and then? So, I dont have a problem with the Octopus type card as long as it keeps transit relatively cheap and easy, for those who use it the most. As to your last para, that is even more econometric thinking that shows how warped it gets. SB, 2019/11/15 09:51 As they push out, all non-frequent transit users, the support among transit-users for monthly passes is understandably high (a typical insider-outsider issue). The most urbanised zone is Paris + Petite Couronne: 6,695,233 (2011) on 761km2 = 8,786/km2. Every commute brims over with aggro. The sprawl exists. The answer inevitably will be yes, and this despite paying high salaries and absurd high bonuses to senior execs etc (which went on even as those companies marched into bankruptcy.) Fare evasion rate on Hong Kongs open, non-gated, LRT system in year 2002-2005 was said to be only 0.4%, but there doesnt seems to be any more updated data.
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